Monday, April 22, 2013

FunShoot Operations Poll

This is the comment conversation I was hoping for, Keep it up!

I tried something a little different Saturday, I dropped official scoring and stage descriptions in the back.  I presented a bunch o' stuff to engage, and only specified what could be engaged with what gun, leaving the solution completely up to the shooter.  This also allowed the shooter to pick different guns on different stages.

The idea came to me when I was trying to determine all the different gun classes that can now happen, and it is a bunch, pistol only, pistol shotgun, pistol rifle, rifle shotgun, irons and scoped, etc, etc, and then throw in rimfire combos. Goodness I have created a monster.  Toss in that last month I only got 20 or so score sheets turned in, and then only 2 completely (12 were blank!).

So the question is, was it good for you?  Take a look at the poll to the right, there are basically 2 questions there, 1): Do you like the free form stages, or do you want rigid procedures, and 2): Do you want  me to publish scores (assuming folks can fill them out completely, adding them up would be nice, but I will do it, I just need all stages to be present)

Or maybe there is a hybrid idea out there that would work, there were a few suggestions thrown about at the end of the day that were interesting.

Take the poll and feel free to comment here, remember this is your shoot, and I want to maximize the fun for you.

g

8 comments:

George Dorbert said...

g,
I like the scoring and the stage instructions. I like to compare myself on the fun shoots and use them as practice for the action matches. I think the "IDC" class you usually have should cover everyone else that is not interested in scores or stage descriptions.
G

Bob Opsitos said...

I liked the shoot however you want. Shooting the chalk, soda, and juice bottles with shotgun was the highlight of the day for me.

I think that for a public scoring option, you should have just two classes. Timed Centerfire Pistol + shotgun and Timed centerfire pistol with a simple across the board miss penalty. My opinion is that if a person brought a 22 pistol or a pistol carbine they were aiming to just have fun. I know that's not a universal truth; just how I view things. Maybe you could add a third just 22 pistol class if there are that many serious 22 shooters.

I think if one wants a more differentiated by class, scoring proposition, there is the official york matches for that.

I will relay that my brother was a big fan of the man v man stages. His comment was that it made it really easy to score and clearly established bragging rights. I like them as well, but not as much when they are setup as just hoser stages. Ideally I would like them to be a little more technical. More involved to setup though.

It might be interesting if we could introduce some shooting around barricades or through barricade windows. Some movement would be great too but I completely understand that this can be spooky with new shooters.

With all that, I think the fun shoots are fantastic and very well run.

Bob

Paul said...

I think that scoring our Funshoots is tough just because we now have so many combinations of guns and choices of how to shoot.
We also tend to have a lot of people who are just shooting for fun and people who appreciate range officers taking the time to help them with improving shooting technique when they are hosing bullets downrange and not hitting anything....
Maybe we can have a stage that is easy to score like the PPC paper on pit 2. The only 2 options are pistol or carbine.... give it a par time and limit the number of shots.
That way you have a result to post and everyone who wants to score it can at least point to their name and go, " Wow I really have to work on that!" LOL.......
Most people seem to really like the challenge of the man on man stages stages. And we all like things that splatter when we shoot them like the drink bottle / chalk stage....
And then there are the Hoser stages with a lot of steel....We all like them.
I like Bob's idea of having a barricade to work around or maybe a window to shoot through. We have a tall thin barricade that doesn't require a lot of movement but does require you to change position from one side to the other.....
As long as the range officers keep the noobies comfortable with what they are doing.. a small barricade or window is cool....
Having stage instructions is good, it keeps things semi under control and gives people an idea of what was intended to be done...
So I voted no scoring, but I really wouldn't mind if we scored one stage as long as we keep the scoring simple for Gary, he doesn't need another chore to take care of.....

Greg Senft said...

I agree with Paul that scoring with the plethera of gun combinations is tough. Even worse is the confusion caused by rigid instructions for various combinations. It is simply too difficult to run with a significant number of inexperienced shooters. I think it also adds unnecessary stress on new shooters. All we need is instructions on what guns can be used on which targets!

TOM L. said...

I agree with George! Not interested in just burning up ammo and calling it fun. I keep track of my performance even when I practice. Not my nature to do anything in a IDC mode.

Paul said...

When I practice I have a regular set of drills that I like to do. I know what my times should be. I know what my first shot should be, split times etc. Now that I shoot 3 guns in competition practice has a whole new meaning because I have so much more to work on.
Funshoots have gotten to be just that, kind of an intro level place for people to hang out with some more experienced shooters and just enjoy trying different things other than just shooting paper targets.
I have no problem running a timer for someone if they want to start that way or if they want to time a stage....Actually I like starting with a timer myself....
I don't think of Funshoots as rigid practice I think of them more like a chance for some shameless club and pistol committee PR.
It seems like we are draw a good number of non members to funshoots.
It's our one chance to "share" the back pits with anyone who wants to have some fun or see what we do there!
If we try to score all the stages we would have to have squads who were all shooting stages the same way and wanted to keep score.
It seems when the crews are mixed up the people who are keeping score tend to just stop scoring part way through due to the relaxed atmosphere....
Plus Gary doesn't need to be figuring out why all the scoresheets are different, missing stages, times that just don't make sense etc.....
I have squads where people change the guns they are shooting, sometimes buddies want to shoot their friends guns, sometimes people just look at a stage and say, "Hey, can I just shoot certain targets?" Or "Hey I'm running low on ammo, can I just shoot a few??"
Tough to score all the options that are going on.
Maybe we can squad the guys who want to keep score and make what they do more specific???
I still like the idea of scoring the paper stage.....
Everybody understands the idea behind "aim for the center and do it quickly."
Just my 2 cents worth........

Jim H said...

Just a few ideas. There are seven pits, make 5 scorable and 2 just for fruit and lollipop fun. Maybe change the score sheet and have a block for each gun combo. I like shooting for time and being compared to othersso I vote for that. Those shooting for accuracy perhaps ad a down 2 etc colum and just fill in a max time or no time. I don't see a need for the pit 2 target setup though. It jus complicates the scoring for Gary and anyone who shoots uses enough targets on their own. Just some opinions. These shoots are great fun and a big thanks to Gary for all the time he puts in to get it all together..

Jack said...

We think the way it was setup this last time was great! I also think that anyone who wants to keep score can do so and keep them for future reference. If they want compare their results against others they can squad together. Gary doesn't need extra work. We also really like the Man vs Man stages. They push you, in a good way. Besides, it IS a Fun Shoot, I don't see it as "Formal Practice" nor do we come dn to just burn ammo. We seen it as a Relaxed way to try and improve our pistol skills and HAVE FUN.

GREAT JOB Gary n Others! THANKS...


Jack & Colleen